Your SteamID : STEAM_0:0:9176336
Your Nickname : <phr34k>
Reason why you should be unbanned : I don't know why i was banned.
Hello - It's been a couple weeks since i have played on your server, and when i went to join today, it says i am not allowed to play on your server. I have been playing on your servers since source - years ago. Not sure who banned me or for what, I didnt happen while i was playing so i dont know why i was.
I have found the banning admin and i added them on steam, I had a long drawn out conversation with him about why i was banned - In the conversation he does not seem to be able to give a straight answer as to why i am banned. It eventually turns out that he seems to be upset for being banned from our server. And he used banning me as leverage to get him unbanned. attached is the steam conversation:
Never tell your password to anyone.
Friday, January 29, 2016
<phr34k>: hello there
<phr34k>: i had to do some searching, but i found that you had banned me from the dogz server for recruiting for another clan
<phr34k>: im not sure what that means since i dont try to recruit anybody
<phr34k>: anyhow, when you have a minute to let me know, that would be cool
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I have been keeping my eye on you and your clan the past couple months on the server
<phr34k>: must not be alot, as i maybe play once or twice a month
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: This wouldn't be a perma ban if I had a shred of patience though.
<phr34k>: what have i dont to offend you
<phr34k>: i am not sure what you are upset about
<phr34k>: well, like i said, i dont know what i did, so if you could let me know, you say you are watching me....what did i do?
<phr34k>: is it because you are banned from the chillin n killin server?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: a problem Ive seen between my regulars and you and the server/clan they choose. As for my ban on your server, that has taken away any room I might have given to this
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Away.
<phr34k>: i still have no idea you what you are talking about, you ban me for recruiting, now you say you see problems...what did you ban me for?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Online.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Simply put your presence on the server is not in the best interest of the server
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Online.
<phr34k>: so you banned me because you have the opinion that me playing your server is bad for your server?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Like I said, I would feel less obligated if I didnt have a negative view of you already
<phr34k>: so you banned me because you dont like me
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: No, you take things out of context
<phr34k>: and you think for whatever reason me playing there is bad?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: You need to realize that I didn't ban you simply because 'I don't like you'. It did contribute to your ban length though.
<phr34k>: i am not sure why you would think that, i have been playing on the dogz server for years, i give out your ip to people all the time, ill invite people to play when i am on your server. I have helped other 'clans build thier gungame servers. If you think that me playing your server is somehow advertising mine, you are wrong.
<phr34k>: you still have not even explained why you banned me, you have only eluded to me playing their is bad for your server, and you have not explained how.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: so you're telling me that someone who is toxic for the server should be welcome?
<phr34k>: explain how i am toxic
<phr34k>: so far its just your opinion
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I can say the same to you which is why I think this is for the best
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: We could have made something better
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: But it fell flat on its face
<phr34k>: you can say the same for what -?
<phr34k>: you do not explain anything
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Away.
<phr34k>: can you tell me why you think i am toxic?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Online.
<phr34k>: Can you not explain why you think i am toxic?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I have already answered... I don't think I should give leeway on this because I wasnt given any from you right?
<phr34k>: leeway on what? - what did i do
<phr34k>: recruiting....problems with people.....opinion of toxic - you have not given one explanation or detail to support any of them
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: My negative perception of you has come from you banning me twice for hacking (???) and even proceeded to kick me from your group
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: That is insult to injury
<phr34k>: so you banned me because you dont like me?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Sigh, I already answered NO
<phr34k>: then explain why did you ban me - why do youu think i am toxic?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: If so, I would have banned you from the moment I was banned from your server
<phr34k>: then explain why did you ban me - why do youu think i am toxic?
<phr34k>: you cannot explain
<phr34k>: you give no details or accounts
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Simply put, ever since i have been banned, regulars going over to your server is a bad thing.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: And you coming over here is obviously not welcom
<phr34k>: regulars have been going back and forth for years - what are you afraid of?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: The regulars from more than a year ago dont come on the server anymore?
<phr34k>: i dont know what you are asking
<phr34k>: i give out your servers ip to people - is that toxic?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: thats your word against mine
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I even tried adding you a few weeks ago
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: It got ignored
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Literally
<phr34k>: what is your word against mine?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Means I have no idea if youre telling the truth
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: B/c from what ive seen, that isnt true besides your clan members playing on the server
<phr34k>: paco sin - forkix - schoolgirls clan - regulars for years back and forth
<phr34k>: are you afraid people are leaving your server?
<phr34k>: you are paranoid dude.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: There are issues within my clan itself which I cannot control and share with you, but I think it is reasonable
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I dont even think you are considering my ban at the moment
<phr34k>: wow, i didnt know this boils down to you being afraid that people who play your server might play ours
<phr34k>: your ban is pointless
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Dont take it out of context man
<phr34k>: you have given no points as to why i am banned
<phr34k>: its not context - that is what you are telling me
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: And you arent gluing them together at all
<phr34k>: why do you need to be so vague - are you afraid to be honest
<phr34k>: i have this all copied and will post it on your forums, maybe somebody else can give me an explanation why.
<phr34k>: thank you for your time, it would be nice to why you banned me, and what you have told me is that you think i am toxic and are worried that people might play on our server too.
<phr34k>: that is unwarranted as i play on your server and have people join me, and in fact do give your ip to people looking for other servers, or servers with one kill per gun
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Again, my negative view of you has done a great deal in contributing to your ban so take time to think on that
<phr34k>: the ban for what?
<phr34k>: what did you ban me for dude?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Like ive been asking you man
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: What did YOU ban me for?
<phr34k>: when did you ask me that through this whole conversation?
<phr34k>: you said you got banned for hacking
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Which is ludicrous
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: You think I hacked?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Sigh
<phr34k>: did i ban you?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Yes you did, twice
<phr34k>: me personally?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Proceeded to ignore my friend requests since your forums arent working
<phr34k>: forums havent workied in years
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: So how are ppl like me supposed to deal with this
<phr34k>: deal with what
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: The ban?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Am i supposed to just take it up the ass or something?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: ...
<phr34k>: how old are you?
<phr34k>: i am curious, you dont seem to be able to stay on topic in a conversation
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Dont change the subject, you have been giving me no room so I have returned it
<phr34k>: this has been that longest converstation of somebody give zero examples of anything and not expaling themseleves, then goes onto being upset about theeri own issue
<phr34k>: no room for what
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: And you have banned me personally twice yes
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: To answer your multiple questions
<phr34k>: i have asked the same question mulitple times
<phr34k>: you have never answered
<phr34k>: The queistion is why did you ban me - what eplanation do you have?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Lol i ask you the same thing
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Now that you finally added me
<phr34k>: ok - i get it, you are mad so you banned me
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Can't have friendly relations like that.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Online.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Anyway, let me know when you want to work together. Thanks.
<phr34k>: your ban is unwarranted - i have not recruited/problems with regulars
<phr34k>: i am not toxic to your server - i infact support it
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Funny you say that because I can say the exact same thing about your ban
<phr34k>: you banned me because you were banned - when you come to my server and talk shit like you the best and tell me my server is shit - dogz this and that
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Why do you keep moving away from my ban?
<phr34k>: when i am in your server i dont talk shit - i dont say this server sucks
<phr34k>: you do shit like that
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Cant you prove I 'hacked'
<phr34k>: i banned you for being an asshole
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I said nothing
<phr34k>: for talking shit, and saying how shitty our server was
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: And you got that on chat logs
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Cuz I dont use a mic
<phr34k>: do i have it on chat logs - i dont fuckin know - it was awhile ago
<phr34k>: and i dont care to look
<phr34k>: i just needed to know that you banned me for no other reason than you were banned from my server
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I look at my server's chatlogs and player stats every day to catch idiots
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Why dont you?
<phr34k>: good for you
<phr34k>: i got a life more demanding of my time
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I knew I was being naive when I thought something could be resolved here
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Sigh
<phr34k>: anyhow - im gonna post this on y9our forums
<phr34k>: you banned me for leverage to unban you
<phr34k>: thats all you did
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: think what you want, but all I care about is the server I take care of
<phr34k>: that is fine, as long as the people who run your server know that they have admin that are banning people to get leverage for themsleves
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: So if we're done here, im going to end this coversation
<phr34k>: you havent started since the beginning
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Away.
<phr34k>: you ran around the questions just to get to thhe part about you being banned
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Online.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: That was to present your hypocrisy
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: Anyways are we done here
<phr34k>: dude, what is your issue, can you not be straight forward?
<phr34k>: speak the truth man
<phr34k>: are you an adult?
☻☺JoonBug☺☻: I dont have to answer this - you obviously have no intention of seeing the big picture so I can talk with someone like that.
☻☺JoonBug☺☻ is now Offline.
Refrain from putting words in my mouth, phreak. I merely mentioned my ban to you to simply to show you how hypocritical you are. I'll get back to this later.
JoonBug - Anybody who reads this conversation will clearly see what your intentions are. Merely mentioned? That was you were clearly wanting to talk about, and you told be to stop changing the subject, when i tried to get back on topic. You clearly could not give me any reason why you banned me other than some presumption that me playing there is bad. If JoonBug could give some examples of me "recruiting", have problems with people, or me being toxic that would be great. His reasons for me being banned change because he cannot provide examples.
phr34k,
While you feel you were unjustly banned, I'd encourage you to heed the posts the admin put in the forums. When we thank you for your info and ask you to sit tight, that doesn't mean for you to continue taunting the admin that banned you. If you have further information to post, post it, but don't continue to post to rub it in or the ban will stick.
At this time your ban is lifted. Please note THERE IS NO RECRUITING OF ANY KIND IN OUR SERVERS. This includes asking players over to another server and clan recruiting. Should you be caught doing so, you will be permanently banned.
Additionally, do not cause upheaval in our servers. We have received some general complaints of behavior and recruiting issues. We take all such complaints seriously. Please be respectful in our servers. I want you to enjoy yourself, but please follow the rules.
Thank You for Your Understanding and Adherence,
Scooby
DoGz Founder
Thank you for resolving this matter. As for recruiting - I don't ask people to join our 'clan'. I am not trying to 'steal' players from your server. When i play your server i invite people to come play your server with me. I like your server, i enjoy a different setup from time to time. I think the more gungame clans/server out there the better. Its always fun to have gungame matches with other servers. Catchya in a game - peace!
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